5 lands for sale in San Vicente Cabiao

✅ 7,007 sqm (lot area) ✅ With Main House that includes: -Dirty Kitchen -Pavilion -2 gazebo -Servants quarters -Guest House and; -Warehouse ✅ Events Place ✅ With fruit bearing trees (Mango, Guyabano, Banana, Buko, Duhat, Macopa, Avocado, Langka, Kamias, Chesa, etc)

HOUSE AND LOT FOR SALE IN CABIAO, NUEVA ECIJA – BESIDE YOHAN'S RESORT SELLING PRICE: ₱6,000,000 NET Beautiful and spacious house and lot for sale in Cabiao, Nueva Ecija, strategically located along the highway and beside a resort. This accessible roadside property offers excellent potential for residential, rental, recreational, investment, or future commercial use. PROPERTY DETAILS: • Lot area: approximately 500 sqm • Floor area: approximately 200 sqm • Spacious and beautiful existing house • Excellent highway frontage • Located along the main road • Beside a resort • Accessible residential and commercial location • Ample space for parking and landscaping • Space for expansion or additional structures • Selling price: ₱5.5 million net POSSIBLE PROPERTY USES: • Primary family residence • Vacation or weekend home • House rental or transient accommodation • Bed-and-breakfast or homestay • Restaurant, café, or roadside business • Convenience store or retail establishment • Events-related or resort-support business • Office, showroom, or commercial establishment • Long-term real estate investment LOCATION ADVANTAGES: The property provides convenient access to Cabiao town proper, the public market, municipal offices, schools, churches, healthcare facilities, banks, restaurants, resorts, convenience stores, public transportation, and other commercial establishments. Its highway frontage provides excellent visibility, accessibility, and business potential. Being beside a resort may also make the property suitable for an accommodation facility, restaurant, café, convenience store, events-related business, or another enterprise serving resort visitors and passing motorists. With approximately 500 sqm of land and around 200 sqm of floor area, the property offers generous space for parking, gardens, landscaping, rental facilities, additional structures, or future commercial development. This is an excellent investment opportunity for buyers searching for a: • House and lot for sale in Cabiao, Nueva Ecija • Highway-frontage property in Nueva Ecija • House beside a resort • Residential property along the main road • Roadside commercial property • Vacation house in Nueva Ecija • Rental or transient-house investment • Commercial lot with an existing house • Affordable house and lot in Central Luzon The exact address and complete property documents will be provided to serious and verified buyers. Property viewing is strictly by appointment. FOR INQUIRIES AND VIEWING APPOINTMENTS: Arlene Ifurung-Posadas RE Broker 4251 | RE Appraiser 470 RE Consultant 50 | Environmental Planner (EnP) CPA 76389 Mobile/Viber/WhatsApp: 0917-529----- Mobile/Viber: 0920-922----- Email: posadasar----@yahoo.com

Brgy. San Agustin (Magalang, Pampanga) FOR SALE - Residential Lot - 28 million (CGT Inclusive) - 1 hectare - 61 meters frontage - Deep well and water tanked installed - With small 1bedroom house (60sqm) - With stone wall fence (231m) - With barb wire fence (246m)  - With metal steel gate (8m) - With 7 fruit bearing trees - Clean title Near: 14th Station of the Cross (Mt. Arayat), Kaffe Uno, Cafe Alaya, Hideaway Mountain Resort, Cafe Station One, etc.

Dreaming of a Farm/ Residential Property? This might be the right cut for you. Lowest rate in the market at 2500/sqm. Seller/ Owner here. ❤️

634 corner lot and vacant ready for residential construction. in between Gapan bypass road and Asian highway national road. residential use. Clean title and ready for transfer for the new owner. contact me now to avail this investment

🏡 LOT FOR SALE IN ARAYAT, PAMPANGA! 🌿 ✨ Looking for a peaceful place to build your dream home, pool villa, or rest house? This could be the perfect spot for you! 📍 Location: Baliti, Arayat, Pampanga 📐 Lot Area: 400 SQM 🛣️ Along a cemented road ⛰️ With a beautiful overlooking view of Mt. Arayat 📄 Clean Title 💰 Selling Price: ₱2.4 MILLION Perfect for: 🏠 Residential property 🏊 Pool Villa 🌴 Rest House 📈 Investment A spacious lot with a relaxing view—perfect for your future home or getaway! 🌄 📩 Send us a message for inquiries, site viewing, and more details. 🔑 400 SQM | CLEAN TITLE | ₱2.4M | BALITI, ARAYAT, PAMPANGA #LotForSale #ArayatPampanga #PampangaProperty #LandForSale #PropertyForSale #LotForSalePampanga #RealEstatePampanga #MtArayatView #InvestmentProperty #DreamHome

Lot for Sale Magalang Pampanga for housing Resort 4 hectares Php 3,500.00/ square meter 15 mins. opr less away from Jollibee San Miguel Magalang Located at Brgy. San Miguel, Magalang

Residential Lot- Brgy. Sta Maria (Magalang Pampanga) FOR SALE - 20 million - Lot:4,500 sqm - Ideal for Air BNB Seller: CGT Buyer: Transfer tax & other fees NOTE: - We don't provide an exact address - We've agreed with all of our sellers that we will accompany all buyers to all viewings - Price may vary without prior notice Near: Angeles City Flying Club, Public Schools, Church, Health Center, Restaurants, etc. 📲 Direct Message for inquiries and tripping assistance

Brgy. Calaba, San Isidro, Nueva Ecija Code: MSG-06-0532 Type: Commercial / Residential Lot with Improvement Lot Area: 4,556 sqm Floor Area: 114 Selling Price: 6,960,000.00 Ready to make it yours? Here's the deal: 20% DP 80% Balance, loanable up to 25 years Seize the opportunity to call this place your own! MSG Hotline (Open between 8am-5pm Monday To Saturday) DISCLAIMER: Offer starts at the minimum indicative price. Offer prices and the availability of the property subject to change without prior notice. We do not make any representations of the property listed above. We do not make any representations of the property listed above. We encourage you to make an ocular inspection of the property, these are sold on an As is, Where is Basis and the pictures contained herein may vary from the actual condition of the property.

ROAD LOT 1, BRGY. SAN ISIDRO, STA. ANA, PAMPANGAe Code: MSG-05-0419 Type: Residential Lot Lot Area: 279 sqm Floor Area: 88.62 Selling Price: Php 1,710,000.00 Ready to make it yours? Here's the deal: 30 % DP 70 % Balance, loanable up to 10 years Seize the opportunity to call this place your own! MSG Hotline (Open between 8am-5pm Monday to Saturday) DISCLAIMER: Offer starts at the minimum indicative price. Offer prices and the availability of the property subject to change without prior notice. We do not make any representations of the property listed above. We encourage you to make an ocular inspection of the property, these are sold on an As is, Where is Basis and the pictures contained herein may vary from the actual condition of the property.

All properties are offered on ñAs-is, Where-isñ basis. Titles of properties are either under Sellerñs name or under various stages of consolidation in the Sellerñs name. Interested parties are therefore advised to check the title, the physical and legal condition of the property. Vicinity maps, lot and floor areas are approximates only. Property details including the lot plans and pictures, prices, and terms are subject to change without prior notice. The Seller reserves the right to pull-out any property anytime. Changes in prices are subject to the sole discretion of the Seller. The Selling Entity accepts no liability for the content of this communication, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided. Interested buyers are reminded that all property is being offered for sale on an ñAs-is, Where-isñ basis, and are advised to conduct their own due diligence."

Code: CP-WS Welcome to Brgy. Arenas, Arayat ! Arenas is a barangay in the municipality of Arayat, in the province of Pampanga. Its population as determined by the 2020 Census was 4,429. This represented 3.06% of the total population of Arayat. Arenas is situated at approximately 15.1712, 120.6846, in the island of Luzon. Elevation at these coordinates is estimated at 37.3 meters or 122.4 feet above mean sea level. Land Features: Along Magalang – Arayat Road Barangay Arenas Good for a warehouse, rest house or a farm Clean title Near Villa Amelia Resort Lot area 16,000 sqm Near: Villa Amelia Private Resort 818 Hotel and Lodge Sta. Ana – Magalang Road Mt. Arayat Shooting Range Visit us at the Lower Ground Level, Robinsons Galleria, EDSA corner Ortigas Avenue, Ortigas Center, Quezon City

6,000 sqm Lot for Sale in Pampanga in San Nicolas, San Fernando Lot area: 6,000 sqm  Asking a price: P18,000/sqm (negotiable) Location: Barrio San Nicolas, San Fernando Pampanga

Montala Property 1 500-sqm. Blk 26/Lots 6 and 8 Facing North, Mountain View P45k/sqm, Negotiable

A rare bulk lot opportunity in Timog Hills, located along Everlasting Street near Fil-Am Friendship Highway in Brgy. Pampang, Angeles City. This offering covers 20 individually titled lots totaling 6,308 sqm, with each Transfer Certificate of Title covering its own parcel, ranging from 300 sqm to 574 sqm. The property sits just 10 minutes from Clark Freeport Zone and 23 minutes from Clark International Airport, placing it within one of Central Luzon's fastest-growing economic corridors. Its size and location make it well-suited for a townhouse development, a villa resort, or a boutique hotel, whether developed as one project or sold individually. Key features: • 6,308 sqm total lot area across 20 titled parcels • Individual TCT per lot, no consolidation needed • Lot sizes from 300 sqm to 574 sqm • 10 minutes to Clark Freeport Zone • 23 minutes to Clark International Airport • Suited for townhouses, villa resort, or boutique hotel development

🏡 FOR SALE BY OWNER: 2 Adjacent Vacant Lots Two adjacent vacant rectangular lots are available for sale in the prestigious Grand Tierra II Subdivision in Capas, Tarlac. Sold together as one package, the property offers a generous combined area of 280 sq.m., with a wide 20-meter road frontage and a depth of 14 meters—providing an ideal layout for building your dream home. The lots have clean titles and are strategically located with easy access to major roads, commercial establishments, and key destinations. Secure your investment in Grand Tierra II, Capas, Tarlac located near to New Clark City’s soon-to-be-built 4,000-acre Pax Silica tech corridor. With US-backed AI data centers and global giants like Foxconn moving in, property values in Capas are positioned to skyrocket. Own this lot now at pre-boom prices before construction begins! 📍 Grand Tierra II, Capas, Tarlac ✅ Clean Titles I am the registered owner of these two adjacent vacant lots with a combined total area of 280 sqm. Both lots are sold as one package only and will not be sold separately. Property Highlights: 📍 Approximately 15–20 minutes from New Clark City 📍 Easy access to SCTEX and Clark International Airport 📍 Walking distance to WalterMart and Puregold 📍 Located in an exclusive subdivision in Capas, Tarlac Price (Last Price): 💰 ₱15,000/sqm – Cash 💰 ₱16,000/sqm – Bank Financing Serious buyers only, please. If you're interested or have any questions, feel free to send me a private message. 🍻🙂

Lot Type Lot Size Indicative Price Equity / Downpayment Indicative Monthly* Standard Residential Lot ~250–300 sqm ₱8.5M–₱12M+ 10% ~₱25K–₱35K/mo. Premium / Park-facing Lot ~300–400 sqm ₱12M–₱16M+ 10% ~₱35K–₱50K/mo. Large / Premium Lot ~400–500+ sqm ₱16M–₱22M+ 10% ~₱45K–₱65K/mo. Example — ₱14.0M lot: * 10% Spot DP: ₱1.40M * Additional 10% equity: ₱1.40M * 60 months: ~₱23,333/month * Balance upon turnover/financing: ₱11.20M Example — ₱18.0M lot: * 10% Spot DP: ₱1.80M * Additional 10% equity: ₱1.80M * 60 months: ~₱30,000/month * Balance: ₱14.40M Residential Lots: ~250–500+ sqm Price: ₱8.5M–₱22M+ 10% Spot Downpayment 10% Equity payable up to 60 months 80% Balance upon turnover / financing Monthly equity from ~₱23K+* 🌿 32-hectare low-density residential community 🏡 Park-facing lots available 🏊 Clubhouse & swimming pool 🏀 Basketball court 🌳 Central Amenity Park 📍 Inside Alviera, Porac, Pampanga

Property Overview: A rare opportunity to secure prime residential land in Timog Park Subdivision, one of Angeles City's most established, quiet, and highly accessible gated communities. As vacant inventory in Timog Park is virtually depleted, these two adjacent 300 sqm lots represent some of the final remaining buildable parcels in the development. Property Details: - Lot Area: 300 sqm each (Total 600 sqm if combined) - Configuration: 2 Adjacent / Side-by-Side Lots - Option: Available individually (300 sqm) or together (600 sqm) Timog Park Subdivision, Angeles City, Pampanga Key Investment & Location Highlights: Scarcity Value: One of the last remaining undeveloped lots inside Timog Park—ideal for end-users seeking a custom home or investors looking for long-term land value appreciation. Flexible Layout: Purchase a single 300 sqm lot for a spacious modern family home, or acquire both (600 sqm) to build a multi-generational estate, compound, or luxury villa with expansive lawn and garden space. Unbeatable Accessibility: Minutes away from Clark Freeport Zone, Korean Town (Anunas), top private schools, major hospitals, and expressway access points (NLEX/SCTEX). Direct inquiries, full pricing details, and private site visits are available upon request.

Looking for the perfect residential lot for sale in Pampanga? Secure your future in Montana Glades by City Lakeside Dev't. Corp., a premium, flood-free subdivision located in Brgy. Calulut, City of San Fernando, Pampanga. This lot-only offering gives you the freedom to design and build your dream Modern Tropical house a stylish blend of nature, ventilation, and contemporary architecture tailored to your family’s lifestyle. Strategically located near SM City Pampanga, NLEX Mexico Exit, Clark Freeport Zone, and top Pampanga schools and hospitals, Montana Glades is the ideal address for homeowners seeking accessibility, safety, and investment growth. Why Choose This Lot-Only Opportunity at Montana Glades Pampanga? Prime residential lots in a flood-free zone Ideal for building a custom Modern Tropical home Inside a secured, gated community with 24/7 roving guards Complete amenities: clubhouse, swimming pool, basketball court, landscaped parks Close to Angeles City, Clark, and major highways Reputable developer with high-quality standards The Modern Tropical house design fits perfectly in this community, offering high ceilings, natural ventilation, wide windows, and sustainable materials—perfect for Pampanga’s climate and your modern Filipino lifestyle. Perfect for families, OFW homebuyers, and property investors looking for a lot-only investment in a fast-growing area of Central Luzon. Now is the time to own a lot in Montana Glades Pampanga and build a home that’s truly yours! Message me today for updated prices, availability, site tripping, and house design options. Reserve your future home now!

Looking for residential lots in Pampanga or a prime investment property near Clark? Discover the value of owning a lot in Alviera Porac Pampanga, a master-planned estate by Ayala Land. Strategically located along SCTEX and just minutes away from Clark Freeport Zone, Alviera offers residential lots for sale in a thriving eco-city built for modern living. This 1,800-hectare estate features Alviera residential lots, commercial lots, and mixed-use developments surrounded by nature, business centers, schools, and leisure hubs. Whether you’re planning to build your dream house in Pampanga or invest in a high-growth real estate development, Alviera is your top choice. Key Features: • Alviera residential lots for sale in Porac, Pampanga • Accessible via SCTEX, near Clark International Airport • Developed by Ayala Land, Alveo, and Avida • Flood-free, elevated location with scenic views • Near Sandbox Adventure Park, Holy Angel University, and malls • Secure gated communities with amenities and green spaces • Ideal for real estate investors and homeowners looking for lots in Pampanga

Looking for the perfect residential investment in one of San Fernando’s most sought-after communities? This beautiful 400 sqm CORNER LOT is now available in St. Dominique, Corinthian Subdivision - and it’s just a short walk from the OG Road Gate.

353 sqm Lot for Sale - Stonegate Lakeshore, Pampanga Prime 353 sqm residential lot located in Stonegate Lakeshore, Pampanga, one of the most desirable enclaves in the area. Stonegate is conveniently near the main gate of Lakeshore, offering easy access while enjoying a secure, peaceful, and well-planned community. Ideal for building your dream home or as a long-term investment. Near Lakeshore Main Gate 353 sqm Gated community with 24/7 security

Lot area: 400 sqm Option to purchase 200 sqm Located directly across of the clubhouse Fully paid and clean title Inside secured gated community Ideal for building a luxury family home or long-term investment in one of Angeles City’s sought-after residential communities. Price: ₱36,000 per sqm (negotiable for serious buyers) Viewing by appointment. Direct buyers only.

Residential Lot For Sale at The Lakeshore Pampanga Name of subdivision: Parklane at the Lakeshore Lot area: 125 sq.m. Lot dimension: 10.0m x 12.5m Type of property: Lot only Key Selling Points 🌿 Nature-inspired environment with mature trees and open spaces 🏡 Ideal for end-use (dream home) or long-term investment 📈 Located in a high-growth area in Pampanga 🚗 Accessible yet peaceful—perfect balance of convenience and privacy 🏗️ Inside a well-planned, premium community

🔥 REPRICED! BELOW MARKET VALUE! 🔥 🏡 LOTS FOR SALE – BEVERLY PLACE GOLF COURSE 📍 Mexico, Pampanga | Near NLEX San Fernando Exit 💰 RESIDENTIAL LOTS FROM ONLY ₱10,000/SQM! 🔥 Previously around ₱14K/sqm — now repriced for serious buyers! 🏡 AVAILABLE LOTS 1️⃣ 328 SQM CORNER LOT 📍 Phase 7 – Sector 2 💰 ₱3,000,000 ➡️ ₱2,500,000 ONLY! 🔥 ₱500K PRICE DROP! 📜 Ready Title 💵 Preferably CASH 📌 Prime corner location near the golf course 2️⃣ 152 SQM INNER LOT 📍 Phase 6B – Lot 27 💰 ₱10,000/SQM = ₱1,520,000 📜 Under Sta. Lucia ✅ Ready for transfer to buyer's name 3️⃣ 154 SQM CORNER LOT 📍 Phase 6B – Lot 26 💰 ₱10,000/SQM = ₱1,540,000 📜 Under Sta. Lucia ✅ Ready for transfer to buyer's name ⛳ PREMIUM LOTS – PHASE 10 4️⃣ 232 SQM CORNER + 150 SQM ADJACENT LOT 📍 Phase 10 – Block 17 📐 TOTAL: 382 SQM 💰 ₱14,000/SQM 💵 CASH PAYMENT ONLY 🌄 Facing Mt. Arayat 📜 Ready Titles 📌 Lots must be purchased together 💰 382 SQM × ₱14,000 = ₱5,348,000 total ⭐ WHY BEVERLY PLACE? ⛳ Inside a Golf Course Community 🏌️ 18-hole championship golf course 🏠 Residential & business community 🔐 Gated and secured environment 🌳 Landscaped surroundings and wide roads 🏊 Clubhouse and recreational facilities ⛪ Community chapel 🚗 Convenient access to NLEX San Fernando Exit 🌄 Selected lots offer views toward Mt. Arayat 📍 Strategic Location 🛍️ Near SM City Pampanga 🛍️ Robinsons Starmills Pampanga 🛒 S&R Membership Shopping 🛒 Wilcon Depot 🛒 Local supermarkets and commercial establishments ⛪ Beverly Place Community Chapel 🏫 Nearby schools including Masamat Elementary School and other schools in the San Fernando–Mexico area 🚌 Bus/transport terminals around SM Pampanga & Robinsons Starmills ✈️ Convenient access toward Clark Freeport Zone & Clark International Airport Sta. Lucia describes Beverly Place as strategically located along the Gapan–Olongapo Road with NLEX access, adjacent to SM Pampanga and Robinsons Starmills, and close to the golf facilities. 🔥 DIRECT TO SELLERS 🔥 BELOW-MARKET REPRICING 🔥 LIMITED AVAILABLE LOTS 📲 PM NOW FOR VIEWING & SITE TRIPPING 📞 0947 981 ---- Joyce Diaz Themadiskarte 🏡 House • Lot • Condo • Apartment For Sale • Lease • Rent • Pabenta #BeverlyPlace #BeverlyPlacePampanga #BeverlyPlaceLotForSale #LotForSalePampanga #MexicoPampanga #PampangaRealEstate #PampangaProperty #LotForSale #GolfCourseLot #GolfCourseCommunity #NLEX #NLEXSanFernando #SMPampanga #RobinsonsStarmills #MtArayat #InvestmentProperty #ResidentialLot #CornerLot #CleanTitle #ReadyToTransfer #DirectSeller #BelowMarketValue

🏡RUSH RUSH... Actual Market Price is 14K/sqm.. Bentang palugi! LOT FOR SALE in Beverly Place, Mexico Pampanga! 📍 Prime Residential CORNER Lot | 328 SQM | From 3.2M down to 2.2M Negotiable for SURE BUYER ONLY Preferably CASH PAYMENT Looking for the perfect place to build your dream home in Pampanga? ✅ Located inside the exclusive Beverly Place Golf & Country Club ✅ Flood-free and secure gated community ✅ Wide roads and clean surroundings ✅ Ready for building ✅ Near NLEX, SM Pampanga, and schools 💰 Ready to Transfer 🔑 Clean title 📐 328 sqm lot area 📞 Message now for viewing! 0947981----

🏡✨ PRIME LOTS FOR RUSH SALE IN BEVERLY PLACE, SAN FERNANDO, PAMPANGA ✨🏡 📍 Phase 10, Block 17 🌄 Facing Mt. Arayat 🚗 Near Alpine Clubhouse & NLEX Access 📌 Adjacent Lots – Ideal for a Spacious Dream Home or Investment 📐 PROPERTY DETAILS: ✅ Corner Lot – 232 sqm ✅ Inner Lot – 150 sqm ✅ Total Lot Area – 382 sqm 💰 Selling Price: ₱14,000 per sqm (Below market value) 💵 Cash Payment Only down to 5M! 👈👈👈 🌟 WHY INVEST IN BEVERLY PLACE? ✔ Prestigious and well-maintained community ✔ Wide roads, parks, clubhouse, and recreational amenities ✔ Strategic location with easy access to NLEX ✔ Cool mountain views and peaceful environment ✔ High appreciation potential in one of Pampanga's premier subdivisions 🛍️ NEARBY MALLS & SHOPPING CENTERS 📍 SM City Pampanga📍 SM City Telabastagan📍 Robinsons Starmills Pampanga📍 Vista Mall Pampanga 🛒 NEARBY SUPERMARKETS ✔ S&R Membership Shopping ✔ Landers Superstore ✔ Puregold San Fernando ✔ Robinsons Supermarket ✔ SM Supermarket ⛪ NEARBY CHURCHES 📍 Metropolitan Cathedral of San Fernando 📍 Our Lady of Sorrows Parish 📍 San Guillermo Parish Church 🎡 NEARBY TOURIST DESTINATIONS 📍 Sky Ranch Pampanga 📍 Mt. Arayat National Park 📍 Nayong Pilipino Clark 📍 Clark Freeport Zone 🏠 Build your dream home with a breathtaking Mt. Arayat view in one of Pampanga's most sought-after communities. 📩 Message FB: Joyce Diaz The Madiskarte today for viewing and reservation details! Serious buyers only. Cash payment preferred.

Grand Tierra Phase 1, Capas, Tarlac Available Lots Only! 👇👇👇 140 sqm - Php 2,500,000 204 sqm (Corner lot) - Php 3,849,888 Adjacent lots. Clean title with updated tax Payment terms: Cash or Bank loan!

For Sale: Montala at Alviera by Alveo Land Lot area: 250 sqm Selling Price: Php8,750,000 per lot (Php35,000 per sqm) Clean Title Regular Shape Block 21 Lot 6 and Block 21 Lot 8 (adjacent lots), can be purchased as individual lots or can be purchased together for a bigger lot area – total of 500 sqm. For more information and viewing schedule, please contact me. Please advise 1 – 2 days prior preferred viewing schedule Thank you Mylene Leung PRC 20828 valid 11/01/24

Block 26, Lot 6. 350 square meters. Turned over, so you can start building whenever you are ready. The row it sits on lines Versala's two-hectare central park. The clubhouse, pool, open field, basketball court and jogging path all sit inside that park. Eight lots make up the row. Lot 6 is one of two on it at 350 sqm. Two terms are open on this lot. Cash in 30 days takes 25% off. The deferred term runs 20% down, a further 10% across 60 months, then the balance. Reservation closes 15 September, booking 15 October. Corvia runs along Versala's west edge. The Greenways runs along its south. Alveo built both before this one, and you can walk them on the same visit. Versala holds 576 lots at 18 to the hectare, inside Alviera, Ayala Land's 1,800-hectare estate in Pampanga. Clark South is 10 minutes out on SCTEX. Angeles City is 20. Quezon City is 90, via NLEX and SCTEX. See it in person, or take a video walkthrough with me if you are abroad. You get the lot plan either way.